What happened for 3 days?

Ok, you've got my attention. A wormhole doesn't allow for travelling between dimensions just space/time. So that would mean that hell is somewhere in this universe. Like a physical place somewhere out there that a person could travel to on a ship (in theory, and if someone really wanted to). Is that about correct?

Hell is and will always be in the center of the Earth, the
Bible tells us this. It provably is under Israel, since that is the center of
the Earth, I wish I had time to go into this but I must go to bed, I work all
week. The Bible tells us that the Earth opens up wide and swallows the wicked.
I will try to gather more information as I had a good DVD about hell.

In verse 2 it says 'out of the belly of hell'. The word in the Hebrew for hell is 'Sheol' which is the grave. In verse 6 the word used in the Hebrew for 'corruption' is 'shachath' and means, 'the pit or grave, the place of corruption'. Jonah is dead for three days in the belly of the fish. The belly of the fish had become his tomb. In the new testament the equivalent is 'Hades' or hell, and is in some cases rendered 'grave' or 'death'. This is the meaning given by inspiration of the Holy Spirit in scripture. The meaning which the Greeks put upon it is of no conern to me. Why should the imaginations of the heathen or a Romanist or the teachings of demons or evil spirits concern a christian?

Of course the other reason that Jonah is dead is because Jesus said that He Himself would die, and that 'just as Jonah was in the belly....so to etc." So if Jonah wasn't dead, then Jesus wouldn't have been dead. JImbob

I should clarify something. In the places where 'Hades' isn't rendered as grave or death, it is rendered as hell and has the same meaning as Sheol, which is the grave. Jim

Are you saying that you believe that there is no hell with
literal fire where the unbelievers who reject Jesus go and suffer for all of
eternity.

I'm not talking about what I believe. I'm talking about what is written in scripture. If the word used in the Greek is 'Hades' then it means the grave and death. If the word is Gehenna then we're talking about the fires of destruction associated with the judgment of God. If the word used is "Tartaroo" or Tartarus as in 2 Peter 2:4 then this refers to the subterranean prison of those spirits who sinned in the days of Noah. I'm using words as the Holy Spirit defines them in the bible, not according to the belief system of a particular person or church denomination. jimbob

Jim Bob, with the Bible aside, what is your own personal belief
about Hell, do you believe that the souls of the disobedient people who
rejected Christ, that they will go into the lake of fire and burn forever and
ever? Do you believe that there is a
Hell for human souls which burns with fire?

With the bible aside? Why would you want to put the word of God aside? To put the bible aside would be to put what I believe aside. I don't know what you mean by 'literal hell', but if your question is in relation to the topic of this thread i. e. where was Jesus for the three days between His death and resurrection then I would say, no. He was not in some place of torment for the dead. jimbob

I said to put the Bible aside to find out where you stand on
the idea of Hell. Do you believe Hell exists for Human souls, which will suffer
in fire for eternity, or do you believe that they will just go to the grave and that there is no afterlife. And About Jesus, where do you believe He went for three days when He died. When Jesus says that spent three days and three nights in the heart of the earth, what did He mean.
Please do not dance around my question to you. Please
respectfully answer each of my questions. Lee

This is actually something I've been struggling with for some time. When Jesus says that one must be born again of the spirit, I suspect that if one isn't born of the spirit then when they die their body is planted in the ground and that's it. If, on the other hand, they are born again of the spirit and then live a life of lawlessness or they are a christian in name only, then I think that they will be resurrected and judged and probably jump into the lake of fire.

Where did Jesus go during those three days? In 2 Pet. 2:4 we read of "the angels that sinned"; and in 1 Pet. 3:19,20 of spirits 'which sometime were disobedient... in the days of Noah'. See also Jude 6.

Jesus was put to death in the flesh and made alive as to His spirit. In death His body was put into the grave (or sepulchre, i.e. Hades), but His spirit was "commended to God". It wasn't until His spirit was reunited to the body when resurrected that He could go anywhere. He didn't go to "Gehenna", or back to Hades, but to Tartarus (2Pet.2:4), where the 'angels who sinned" had been 'delivered into chains'. To these He proclaimed His victory.

You keep saying that He preached, but the word rendered 'preached' in the KJV is not the usual word euangelizo, but the emphatic word 'kerusso'; which means to proclaim as a herald. So Christ heralded His victory over death. jimbob

And to prove that not only Christians who do not follow
Jesus will be thrown into the lake of fire, here is the verse that proves you
wrong. Rev 20:15 If anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he
was thrown into the lake of fire. What does anyone mean to you??

Lee, you're not connecting all the dots. You say that Jesus went to hell, but you have a different defintion of hell than I do. I have already shown to you that when Hades is rendered as hell it means the grave. That's what the bible says. In Acts 2:27,31, we read "Because Thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt Thou suffer Thine Holy One to see corruption. He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ that His soul was not left in hell, neither HIs flesh did see corruption.' This is a quote from Psalms 16:10. In Psalms 16:10 the word in the Hebrew is Sheol which means the grave. I believe that all of the books of the bible were written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, this includes the book of Acts where the Holy Spirit has translated the Hebrew word Sheol to Hades in the Greek, and the Holy Spirit Himself has settled the sense in which we are to understand it. The meaning He has given to Sheol in Ps. 16:10 is the one meaning we are to give it wherever it occurs in the new testament, whether we transliterate it or translate it. I don't see myself as having the liberty to do otherwise, and anything outside the Word of God should be discarded.

In your quote from Ephesians it says "when He ascended on high...' not when He descended into hell. You haven't refuted the fact that "to herald" and "to preach" are two entirely different acts. Unless you can support it with scripture, you're adding something that isn't in the bible.

I think that you have good scriptural support for your argument that all who reject Christ are judged, but I'm having a hard time discussing this issue because we have different defintions for the same words, i.e. hell. I see what you are saying using your defintion, but I prefer to use the defintion used in the bible, as the Holy Sprit defines it. Jimbob

I'm assuming that you're familiar with Ecclesiastes, but for those who aren't I'll quote the relavent verses. "Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern. Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God Who gave it."-Eccles. 12:6-7.

The word for spirit in the Hebrew is ruach, and the meaning of the word is deduced only from its usage. The root idea is an invisible force. In Eccles. 3;19-20 we read, "For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath(ruach); so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity. All go unto one place(i.e. Sheol or the grave); all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again." What does 'All' mean to you? Obviously some more verses are necessary to compare, clarify, and understand what's really going on.

Rev. 20:15 does seem to clarify that being born of the spirit is different than the ruach which is what is thrown into the lake of fire. I don't know if I'd go as far as to say that this is a literal lake of fire because in verse 14 it says "And death and hell(the grave) were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death." The lake of fire IS the second death. The lake of fire=the second death. After the word 'death', the texts add "the lake of fire". jimbob

In John 15;5 it says "remains". If one is in Christ and remains, then they have life. If one is in Christ and does not remain, then they will die. One who never was in Christ cannot 'remain", therefore all those who were never in Christ are not a part of what He is talking about. It doesn't say 'born again or not'.

I'm not denying that there is this place of judgement or a "lake of fire". What I'm saying is that when someone takes the word Hades and applies a meaning other than the grave or death to it, they are reading into scripture something which isn't there. When people die they are conscious of nothing, they cannot hear a proclamation or the gospel. The old testament saints who had already heard the gospel didn't need to hear it again. They had already heard it and accepted it. Why would they need to hear it again? jimbob

Jimbob, I really think you need to read Revelation 20:11-15 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.



This is Bible, if you can't see that death and the grave
were cast into the lake of fire than what is the point of this subject. To me
it is clear that all those who were not written in the book of life were cast
into the lake of fire. God's word says it all we believe Yahweh, not man. Again
what did Jesus die for, if it was not to get you and me from going to hell?
Blessings. Anna

Jimbob a little kid would understand very well what Yahweh's
Word is talking about, and you are taking scripture out of context just because
you decide there is no hell that does not mean it is not there. God is not a
man that he should lie. So please do not twist the scriptures to your own
interpretation, especially when they are so clear on this subject. Yeshua spoke
more about hell and death than he did about heaven. Separation from God will be hell.
Now if you want to argue that there is different degrease in Hell I agree, but
never the less hell is a place of torment and the bible clearly said it is
forever and ever. What you quoted from Ecclesiastes does not count, as you
interpreted the scripture wrong. You can’t grab just a verse or two to make it
look like it is saying what you think, there are many that contradict your
beliefs much are more than just on verse. Hades is the grave yes I agree, death is
dead but both will be cast into the lake of fire. Yeshua came to give us life eternal
now we all know that to life there has to be the opposite Death. All who are
dead will be cast into the lake of fire, weather we like it or not. Yeshua told
John what to write and he said death and Hades will be cast into the lake of
fire were the worm never dies, in torment forever and ever. And this is why
Yeshua came that we mite have life not death. I hope this has cleared your
thinking a little. Blessings Anna

Anna, I really don't know where you're coming from. You might be breezing through my posts without really reading them, or maybe you're also coming up with some other definitions for hell. I can see that death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. I'm not denying that. I think it's the definitions we disagree on. I never said there is no hell. What passages of scripture am I taking out of context? Which scriptures did I twist? And how? Why doesn't Ecclesiastes count? What is wrong about my interpretation? You said that you agree that Hades is the grave, then you have no argument with me.

Lee, Matthew 13:17 says they 'longed' to see and hear, but you don't seem to understand that they were longing to see and hear the reality of the messiah, not just the prophecies, not just the shadows of things to come. They weren't longing for nothing and not just some vague longing for something they couldn't define, but they were longing for the reality of the gospel. The gospel which was proclaimed right after the Fall. God proclaimed this from the first, and among its heralds were Enoch, "the seventh from Adam", who proclaimed His coming for this judgment of the ungodly (Jude 14,15); and Noah, a herald of righteousness and of coming righteous judgment (Heb.11:7 and 2Pet.2,5). When the "calling on high" shall have been given (Phil.3:14), and when "transgressors are come to the full" (Dan. 8:23), and before the Kiingdom is set up in glory, this Gospel will again be proclaimed (Rev.14:6). It is "everlasting", and we will be called upon to "Fear God, and give glory to Him; for the hour of His judgment is come: and worship Him that made heaven, and earth"(Rev. 14:7)

Next we have Abraham who was promised by God that through him all the families of the earth would be blessed (Gen. 12:1-3). In Gen. 15:4 the heir was announced, you already know this but I'll say it again for those who might be new; this heir was to be the Messiah (Gal. 3:16). In Gen. 15:8-21 the inheritance was secured by an unconditional promise (not by a covenant between two parties, one of whom might break it, Gal. 3:18-20). In 2Sam. 7 the throne was secured to David and his seed by another unconditional promise.

You say that you wouldn't lie to me, I'm not suggesting in any of my posts that you are trying to decieve me. You also implied that I was being disrespectful, with the reasons for that implication in mind, I look forward to your responses to my posts.

You suggest that I am leading you to believe that there is no afterlife? I am leading you to believe no such thing. Anyone can read my posts and find the word resurrection used many times and never once have I denied the resurrection.

In your quote from Matt. 16;18 you say that Hades means the powers of darkness, but you don't give any reasons why you are saying this and you don't support it with scripture. jimbob