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What happened for 3 days?

Post by johnsorensen on Sat Aug 16, 2008 7:52 pm

"Where was Jesus for the three days between His death and resurrection?"

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Re: What happened for 3 days?

Post by sugarman on Sat Aug 16, 2008 10:08 pm

Matthew 12 (King James Version)


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Matthew 12

40For as Jonas was three
days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be
three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

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Re: What happened for 3 days?

Post by sugarman on Sat Aug 16, 2008 10:09 pm

I think some refer that verse to Hell Can anyone please give me info on that?

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Re: What happened for 3 days?

Post by Lee on Sat Aug 16, 2008 10:28 pm

Jonah,
did not go down to hell but was in the belly of a whale.

Jesus says in Mtthew 12:40 (For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly
of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the
heart of the earth.)


Jesus went into Abraham’s bosom to
preach to the captives and even let some out of hell.

This is found in 1 Peter 3:19 through whom also he
went and preached to the spirits in prison
who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the
days of Noah while the ark was being built.


And in 1 Peter 4:6 For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to
those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to men in regard
to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit.


Living Bible version 1
Peter 4:6 (
For this is the
reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they
might be judged according to men in regard to the body, but live according to
God in regard to the spirit.)

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Re: What happened for 3 days?

Post by johnsorensen on Sun Aug 17, 2008 1:40 pm

1 Peter 3:19 through whom also he
went and preached to the spirits in prison
who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the
days of Noah while the ark was being built.

So how long did it take Noah to build the Ark?
It does not say exactly how long it took in Gen.

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Re: What happened for 3 days?

Post by sugarman on Sun Aug 17, 2008 4:41 pm

johnsorensen wrote:1 Peter 3:19 through whom also he
went and preached to the spirits in prison
who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the
days of Noah while the ark was being built.

So how long did it take Noah to build the Ark?
It does not say exactly how long it took in Gen.




http://www.gotquestions.org/Noahs-ark-questions.html

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Re: What happened for 3 days?

Post by jimbobthephonecian on Sun Aug 31, 2008 10:46 am

It took one hundred years for Noah to build the ark. Where is this stuff about Jesus going to Abraham's bosom and letting people out of hell found in the bible? Jesus didn't preach, but instead as a herald He proclaimed His victory over death. The spirits in prison were the fallen angels. The septuagint renders them as angels. People may have a spirit, but people are never referred to as spirits in the bible.

I don't know if others believe this, but recently I ran into some people who believed that Jonah was alive during his incarceration in the fish. I, too, was under this impression while in grade school, but realizes later that this was impossible. Jimbob

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Re: What happened for 3 days?

Post by Lee on Sun Aug 31, 2008 12:53 pm


You wanted scriptures that says where Jesus went to (Hell – Abraham’s
Bosom), and concerning other scriptures
about Abraham’s bosom. Here are some off the top of my head.


Matthew 12:40 For as Jonah was three days and
three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days
and three nights in the heart of the earth.


This scripture talks about when Jesus went down to the lower regions
of the earth, called Abraham’s Bosom.



Mathewt 27:51 At that moment the
curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook and
the rocks split. The tombs broke open
and the bodies of
many
holy people who had died were raised to life. They came out of the tombs, and after Jesus’
resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many people.



This is when Jesus took all of the
prisoners out of (Hell – Abraham’s Bosom) and brought them first with Him to
walk the earth for forty days and then ascend into the third Heaven with Him
when the forty days were over.



Lift up your heads, O you gates; be lifted up, you ancient doors, that the
King of glory may come in.

Who is this King of
glory? The LORD strong and mighty,
the LORD mighty in battle.

Lift up your heads, O you gates; lift them up, you ancient doors, that the
King of glory may come in.

Who is he, this King of glory? The LORD Almighty—he is the King of glory.

This talks about when Jesus was to enter
the gates of the underworld that leads into (Hell- Abraham’s Bosom.)



Ephesians 4:8 This is why it says:
“When he ascended on high, he led
captives in his train.

This is when Jesus ascended to heaven.
Every Old Testament prophet and all
righteous people from the Old Testament were lead into the Third heaven
following Jesus close behind.



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Re: What happened for 3 days?

Post by jimbobthephonecian on Sun Aug 31, 2008 2:15 pm

I guess I don't have my thinking cap on today. I don't see where or why you're equating hell with 'Abraham's bosom'. "At that moment" was at Jesus' death if I'm not mistaken, and simultaneously the tombs were opened which doesn't seem give Jesus much time to do any preaching. Could you also elaborate on what you mean by 'third heaven'? Thanks, Jimbob

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Re: What happened for 3 days?

Post by jimbobthephonecian on Sun Aug 31, 2008 2:58 pm

In Luke 16:22-23, it talks about Abraham's bosom, but the rich man isn't in Abraham's bosom. The rich man is 'afar off' in hell. The pharisees taught that there were three places: 1. Abraham's bosom; 2. 'under the throne of glory'; 3. in the garden of Eden (Gr. Paradise). Speaking of death they would say "this day he sits in Abraham's bosom". Lightfoot, Works, vol xii, pp. 159-63.

In Matt. 12:40 earth refers to the tomb. I'm not sure I see the connection between 'the gates' in your quote from Psalms and hell. How or why do you infer that those gates refer to hell?

You say every old testament prophet is following Jesus close behind, but what about Elijah, didn't he ascend into heaven way back before Jesus walked the earth in the old testament? Could you clarify this for me? Thanks, Jimbob

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Re: What happened for 3 days?

Post by Lee on Sun Aug 31, 2008 3:59 pm


In Luke 16:22-23, it
talks about Abraham's bosom, but the rich man isn't in Abraham's bosom. The
rich man is 'afar off' in hell.

Think of it like this, Hell and Abraham’s Bosom were all in
one room, in the middle of the room, something like a bottomless pit was dug,
there is no way across, this is the abyss. But Abraham’s Bosom and Hell are both
in the same room. One side of the room is called Hell and is the suffering
side, and Abraham’s Bosom is on the other side and is called the comfort side.


1(Abraham's bosom)
Is in the earth
2 (under the throne of glory)
Is in the third heaven with God
3 ( the garden of
Eden)
Was on earth, and is now in the third heaven with God.

Job 38:17 Have the gates of death been
shown to you? Have you seen the gates of the shadow of death ?

This statement about these gates being the gates of the
shadow of death would indicate that they are the gates to the underworld. These
gates are found under water in the deep sea. Right above it says
in

Job 38:16 “Have you journeyed
to the springs of the sea or walked in the recesses of the deep?


I have heard a teaching from Perry Stone, that teaches this
and this portion of scripture backs me up.


You say every old testament prophet is following Jesus close behind, but what
about Elijah, didn't he ascend into heaven way back before Jesus walked the
earth in the old testament? Could you clarify this for me? Thanks, Jimbob

This explanation is a little more out there and may be
harder for you to accept, but I believe it to be the truth. Out in space, in
the upper atmosphere of the earth, there are wormholes like tunnels that lead
to hell. These worm holes can only be accessed in the Spiritual realm. Elijah
was in the body when he was caught up but was then changed into the Spirit
before entering these wormholes. Much in the same way as Jesus was changed into
the Spirit when he was ascending into Heaven. Why, you may ask did Jesus and
Elijah have to change into the Spirit
before entering into their destinations.

Because of First Corinthians 15:50 says

(I declare to you,
brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God,
nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.
)


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Re: What happened for 3 days?

Post by Lee on Sun Aug 31, 2008 4:20 pm




Jim Bob, you said that Jesus did not have much time to
preach before the tombs were broke open and the Holy people came out. Jesus
preached to them for three days. He was dead for three day. Then He arose and
brought every body who accepted His message with Him.


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Re: What happened for 3 days?

Post by jimbobthephonecian on Sun Aug 31, 2008 10:52 pm

I'm not sure if I'm following this correctly, Lee. Are you saying that Abraham's bosom was in the earth, but now it's in the third heaven? I'm also still not clear on what you mean by the 'third heaven'.

Your quote from Job clearly indicates that the gates of death are the gates of death, but how or why are you linking them with the quote you gave from the Psalms? Are you saying that the gates of the underworld are now in the third heaven?

In that quote from Matt. 27:51 it sounded like at the same moment the veil in the temple was torn that the earth quaked, the rocks were rent, and the graves were opened, but I see what you're saying because in the next sentence it says 'after His resurrection". I see this piece of the puzzle now, however, I don't see how it fits with the rest because there still remains the problem of trying to reconcile the fact that people are never spoken of in the bible as "spirits". Man has spirit, but he isn't "a spirit". At death this spirit "returns to God who gave it" (Ps. 31:5. Eccles. 12:7. Luke 23:46). In resurrection "God giveth it a body as it hath pleased Him" (1 Cor. 15;38). This is "a spiritual body" (1 Cor. 15:44).

Angels are spirits and are so called as was pointed out by truth speaker on one of the other threads a while back in Heb. 1:7,14.

In 2 Pet. 2;4 it says the "angels that sinned" and are reserved unto judgement, and delivered into chains or "prison". In 1 Pet. 3:19,20 it talks of spirits who were disobedient.

I didn't ask why Jesus and Elijah might have to change into a spirit body to enter heaven, but that chronologically, Elijah preceded Jesus into the heavens by a considerable amount of time, and that there seems to be a conflict with that and the statement that righteous Elijah followed Jesus into the heavens. I don't know how to reconcile this contradiction. How were you able to reconcile it? Thanks, Jimbob

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Re: What happened for 3 days?

Post by Lee on Sun Aug 31, 2008 11:16 pm

I'm not sure if I'm
following this correctly, Lee. Are you saying that Abraham's bosom was in the
earth, but now it's in the third heaven? I'm also still not clear on what you
mean by the 'third heaven'.

No Abraham’s Bosom is not in the third Heaven, only the
Spirits of the Old Testament believers in the Law of God. Those who died before Jesus came. And the Third
Heaven refers to the abode of God.


The first heaven is where the birds fly within our
atmosphere, the second heaven is where the planets and stars are, the third
heaven is beyond the planets and stars and space as we know it; and is where God
lives. It is the most highest place, that is were they call God the Most High.


Are you saying that
the gates of the underworld are now in the third heaven?

No, the gates that lead into the underworld are under the
sea, in the deep sea, the ocean of this world, not in Heaven.


Elijah preceded Jesus
into the heavens by a considerable amount of time, and that there seems to be a
conflict with that and the statement that righteous Elijah followed Jesus into
the heavens. I don't know how to reconcile this contradiction. How were you
able to reconcile it? Thanks, Jimbob

It is easy, Elijah went into the air but when he had gone as
far as the upper atmosphere, he then entered one of the worm holes that I
mention in my post above. He went into Abraham’s Bosom by entering a worm hole
that lead to Abraham’s Bosom, and stay there until the time Jesus came. Then
they came out of (Hell - Abraham’s Bosom), and stay on earth with Him for
forty days, Then they all followed Him
into the abode of God, the third heaven. Paul was in the third heaven he did not know weather in the body or out of the body. Also you know when God took Elijah the Bible never said were to. For all you know he could of left him here on earth to be one of the witnesess.

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Re: What happened for 3 days?

Post by jimbobthephonecian on Mon Sep 01, 2008 12:34 am

You say that this worm hole went to Abraham's bosom which is in the earth so Elijah left the earth and went through a worm hole which led him back to the earth? You said that hell and Abraham's bosom were in the same place or room, right?

These gates to the underword, are they physical gates? Would it be possible to dig down and find them?

What's the Spirit of the old testament? Are you saying that this spirit is in the third heaven? jim

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Re: What happened for 3 days?

Post by Lee on Mon Sep 01, 2008 12:40 am

alien Suspect


Jim Bob, are you puling my leg.


Yes the gates are physical, and I would not want to find out
if you can actually get to hell by entering them.

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Re: What happened for 3 days?

Post by Anastasia on Mon Sep 01, 2008 12:43 am

lol! Jim you and Lee are very funny and I am cracking up. Lee read 23 minutes in hell, you should read that book. It is very interesting about a baptist preacher who die and went to hell first than Jesus brought him through a worm hole, so that is why Lee talks about the worm hole. Blessings to you and your family. I'm into alien they want to destroy us and take over our planet how about that? Anna


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Re: What happened for 3 days?

Post by Lee on Mon Sep 01, 2008 12:47 am

the Worm Hole idea came from this book!
http://spiritlessons.com/DOCUMENTS/BillWiese_23MinutesInHell_Text.htm

He clames that He saw this Demon in Hell.



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Re: What happened for 3 days?

Post by Anastasia on Mon Sep 01, 2008 12:50 am

Here is a live vidio from 23 minutes in hell.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9BbFPkgr04

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Re: What happened for 3 days?

Post by Lee on Mon Sep 01, 2008 11:08 pm

Jonah 2:6. says ( I
went down to the moorings of the mountains; the earth with its bars closed
behind me forever; yet You have brought up my life from the pit, O Lord, my
God.)

I read this on my
lunch today at work and by this scripture it is clear that Jonah did indeed die
and went to Hell but God brought him back to life.

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