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About: "A letter to a pagan I know"

That song you typed out was awful, and I am a Pagan. Maybe your friend needs help, I don't know, but is that a song your friend enjoys listening to, or a song you found when looking up "pagan songs"? I will tell you right now that that is NOT a pagan song, it is a song that someone called a pagan song... I won't try to convince you that I love my Gods and that I feel their love every day, because you truly believe that I worship demons all unknowing. But here are the lyrics to a true Pagan Song...

Summerland - Emerald Rose

I'm forced to admit I'm far from a perfect man
And I guess I confess I'm a sinner as they'd say
But the Pagan life's not about single-dose redemption
It's a reaffirmation every day

And they'll ask you, "Brother, have you been saved?
"Don't you worry 'bout burning for eternity?"
Well, I'm in no danger; and, no, I'm not afraid
For the Goddess speaks with certainty

They say the road to heaven is straight and narrow
They say the road to hell is smooth and wide
Well, the path I follow is long and winding
But it surely leads to the other side

Do you truly believe in your Pagan song
You copied and pasted here, And do you like it.
I mostly stick with songs like the old rugged cross and amazing grace, - how great is our God- My redeemer lives – shout to the Lord, by hill song- worthy is the Lamb. EL ELyon, and the angle Song, songs like that.
These songs have God’s blessing in them. I can’t speak for the other Christians here but when I hear worldly songs that have nothing to do with God at all, they seam to be dry and dead, with out life to them, just like the rest of the worldly things that draw us away form God and serving him. The most important thing for any human can ever do on this earth is serve The God of Abraham , Isaac, Jacob, the God of Israel, which is Jesus Christ, our lord and master.

Ambivilantmoon, Jesus is your Lord and master weather you like it or not.
Trust me on this, You WILL bow your knee to him either now as your Lord and master
or later as your judge, but you will Bow.

But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, who "will render to each one according to his deeds'': eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek; Romans 2:5

What makes you think I am hard? That implies hard hearted, and I care about people and this world. I truly do love and believe the song I pasted, it makes me feel warm and happy inside, knowing what I have waiting for me at the turn of the road.
I think that we have to care for people and be kind and generous to them. One of the most misunderstood tenets of Paganism is the rede: "An it harm none, do as you will". It seems simple and easily fallable, but if one were to read into it one would find it much more complex. To me, it means that every action I take should be considered carefully, to see whether it would hurt someone physically, emotionally, or spiritually. In other words, if I poke fun of someone maliciously, and then tragically committed suicide at a later date, i would have had a hand in that and should be punished which is known to some as the "three fold law" meaning everything you do good and bad comes back to you three times as bad or good.
I don't think one should go out to do good deeds for the sake of doing them, they should come naturally to you. If someone looks unhappy, even if you don't know them, you should pause and ask them if they are allright... It may not seem monumental in the scope of the whole world, but it might mean the whole world to one person.
I am not hard hearted, I simply have conviction and the inner peace of knowing that my Gods love me.

The pagan I know is full of the devil and he is demon poses
not only that that I really felt Jesus loving him through me. I would sob for an
hour not knowing why until God let me know it was not me but him loving him. He
was a strange character He came across smart but the devil has him hook line
and sinker, as he also has blinded you. The reason you do not see the light is
only because you do not want to. Salvation is there for all but narrow is the
way to heaven and few will find it. About his favorite song was Val’s De La
Muerte I never heard that song. There are different pagans. He was an aleznic
or something like that it sounded Electric to me. Anyway he was poses by many
demons my heart went out to him. I know it wasn’t me who loved him it was
Yahweh loving him. He left our store and I saw him a couple more times. I pray
a lot for him but now he is in God’s hands. What about you, why are go involve
in this devils games do you think you can play with fire and not get burn. You
need to see what Jesus went through for you. I suggest you reed Stones letter,
on the portal page. The Scourging May Yahweh shows you that He alone is God
over all the Earth. When you are on your death bed who will you call? Anna

I noticed in Ambivelant's post that she has the pagan version of "Do unto other's.." as well as a concept of punishment for doing wrong, but what really caught my eye was when she said that one should not do good deeds for the sake of doing good, but that 'they should come naturally to you'. This, I think may be one of the key differences between paganism and christianity. Paul says that we as humans are incapable of doing good and that we wouldn't if we could. It isn't something that would ever come naturally. On a superficial level we see that people do good, but deep down inside the motivation for those good deeds is wicked. When the Father opens a persons heart and shows them who and what they really are, it's virtually impossible for that person not to crumble to the grouond at the sight of their own wretchedness. Repentance and acceptance of Christ is the immediate and natural consequence. One then begins to see how learning to walk in God's ways is an act of God in our lives, not something that we can attribute naturally to ourselves. The Spirit reveals to us the value of doing the right thing and overrides our natural inclination to resist it. We find ourselves doing the right thing when it doesn't come naturally.

I get a little bit squeemish when I hear people telling someone that they are going to hell or they have the wrath of God on their head because merely pointing out an error or sin or defect of reasoning is like pointing out that one has a proverbial splinter in their eye without being able to remove it for them. We as Christians can't help anyone till we first take the 2x4 out of our own eye's. Only then can we not just percieve the splinter, but remove it as well. It isn't right to just stand on shore and tell someone who is drowning that they need a life vest. If someone doesn't have the ears to hear the good news, then what sense is there in talking to a deaf person? Learn sign language. Paul was a Jew to save Jews and a Greek to save the gentiles.

The lyrics to 'Summerland' are interesting. It isn't clear who is forcing the speaker to admit their imperfection, but the fact that human nature resists the idea is very true. When the speaker says they guess they are a sinner, it shows that they really aren't convinced of the fact. The 'they' in line two are most likely the same one's doing the forcing in line one. Line three throws christianity into a nice little box of 'single-dose redemption', and then contrasts this by saying that paganism is life affirming everyday suggesting that christianty is dead or dying and something in the past. Sadly, this is true for many chrisitans, but this assessment is a gross misrepresentation of the life of a true Christian. The second stanza is telling of the lack of spiritual discernment evident in so much of christianity today as well as the boasting of the self-assured. In the fourth stanza the speaker begins with the refrain 'they say' indicating their unbelief and uncertainty which is then contrasted with the 'surely' or certainty of their own path. The definitive roads to heaven and hell are also contrasted with the vague 'other' in the last line.

The lyrics have a subtle pride and are boldly accusatory. Sound familiar? Is that other side the right side? To say its hot in Summerland would be putting it mildly. -jim

Jim, I guess that was for me, you know you can take this both ways.
I said

What about you, why are you involve
in this devils games do you think you can play with fire and not get burn.
You are right to say that Christians should not be fast to take out the pole from YOUR BROTHERS EYES, without looking to see your own. I know you could take it wrong and so can that person but God knows this time I said that without thinking hell-fire but I use that with any kind of sin. Forgive me if you are offended by my statement, I will try harder to correct that, and thanks for pointing it out in such a way as to not let anyone get off easy. We should all do the same rebuke our brothers. The lady who led me to the Lord did a lot of that as a babe in Christ thank you Susana. I have said before in this forum that just because I am the Co, Aministrator that if I need a rebuke do so. I was raised in Spain and over there they use that for all kinds of sin as to burn with lust if you play with fire. I am not perfect by any means but I really believe this time it was not meaning hell. I learn as I go. I guess sometimes we use that word to lightly when God hates it. Also remember I was raise Catholic and my parents always would say if you do this or that you will end up in hell. I know my parents love me while saying this. I also love them while saying it, because I say this with love not hate. One day while driving to work the Lord press on me that more people will go to hell than to heaven so going down the highway as I saw cars all around me I thought maybe you and you and I started to cry as these thoughts came upon me. Thanks and may our Lord always bless you with good insight. I should be more careful and how I use my words, blessings in His name Yeshua. Anna

Anna, I wasn't offended, and I wasn't aiming anything at you. I don't beleive in sugar coating the message, but when planting seeds it's better to gently cover the seeds rather than stomp on them. My post was more of a commentary on the previous posts in general, and the lyrics in particular. Paul says to live peaceably with all men, but conflict seems to be built into the interplay between christians and the rest of the world.

Jesus summed it all up with love God and love your neighbor as yourslf, Ambivelant got half of it right. I think it's important to point that out, and it shouldn't be difficult for christians to live peaceably with people who keep 'the golden rule'. It is equally important to let those who have been decieved know that we aren't decieved by smooth words. Jim

I would Rather hear lyrics that Speak the TRuth of Christ
THen mere words of men , that write to justify their own

Here is a Good song and its words testify of Jesus not ourselfs
What He and Only He could do and has done for us All .


Lock me up in prison
and throw away the key
Take away the vision
from these eyes that now
now can see
Deprive me of the food i eat
and even bind my hands and feet
But as long as I know Jesus
Then I can still go free

That I could still go free
What kind of man
would reach down His hand
and do this for me
Oh so unworthy to live
and not fit to kill
But a man on the Cross
Put me in His Will
and says that I can still go free

Now , I never could quit understand
why a King would want to leave His Throne
To dawn the robe of an earthly man
for the pain of flesh-....flesh and bone
Then later trode ....trode a Holy path
that lead to Calvary
Where the Blood Red stains
Broke All the chains
That I could still go free

That I could still go free
What kind of man
would reach down His hand
and do this for me .
Oh so unworthy to live
and not fit to kill
But a man on the Cross
puts me in His will
and says
That I can still go Free .

Beautiful song Truth Speaker, Who sings it and what is the tittle?

'That I can still go free '

By The Hinsons

sang by the late Kenny Hinson 1953-1995