Evolution does excists

by johnsorensen on Thu Mar 13, 2008 12:43 pm

God is the creater of all. But evolution does excists. Example frogs change from tadpols. Some fish change sexes half way through their lives. Bacteria and viruses mutate, which mutation is a form of evolution.

by **Lee** on Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:57 pm

Frogs have been changing into tad poles since the beginning
of time. It is a normal process that God set in place from the very beginning.
Lee

by Guest on Fri Mar 14, 2008 1:28 am

I disagree with you in the process of Evolution. The Primary Science Textbook of Grade 4 calls, Tadpoles changing into frogs, Life Cycle of a Frog. There is no evolution involved, it is life cycle of a frog, where frogs are born in eggs, then change into tadpoles and then into frogs. It is similar to the Life cycle of a Butterfly, it is first a larva and then changes into a butterfly. Where is evolution involved?

Infact, there is no concept of evolution, it is false and Bible no where calls creation as Evolution. No cell can evolve into another being on its own.

And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. And God made the beast of the earth after his kind and God saw that it was good. (Genesis 1:24-25)

When God made everything perfect, so how can you believe in Evolution? The whole concept of evolution is a lie and against the authority of God as a Creator.

God bless you

by **Lee** on Fri Mar 14, 2008 7:24 am

Bravo Daniel, well said!!! Lee

by Trorbes on Fri Apr 25, 2008 2:59 am

While metamorphosis isn't Evolution (except by the original definition: a linear progression) mutations in bacteria and virii, especially ones which give resistances to antigens are the easiest examples of Evolution out there. Other good examples are the classic Peppered Moth example and a neat little article recently released on the evolution of a group of lizards separated from the main population for over 30 years readable here. It's truly remarkable how fast they were able to adapt to a new environment in such a way in only generations.

by Rosetta on Fri May 02, 2008 8:26 pm

We cannot use the fact that tadpoles become frogs, etc.., as signs of evolution. These are more signs of "growing" not "evolution". We start off as children and then we grow. We look different when as a child and as we "grow" we keep changing, but, not keep "evolving". Flowers start off as buds, does this mean that when they become in full bloom they have evolved? No, we grow, we mature as children of God, and as we mature we ourselves become more aware of all that our Father created.

Scientists have long said that dinos exhisted millions of years ago and they were before man. Well look at these links and you will see depicted pictures and engraved carved figurines of man and dinosauras together:
The Nile Mosaic of Palestrina.
This mosaic from the 2nd century shows other animals local to the area such as Crocodiles and Hippos. This scene is one of many and shows hunters killing a creature labeled on the mosaic as 'Crocodile Leopard'.

Cave Drawings:
The top photo is Cree Indian art on the Agawa Rock at Misshepezhieu, Lake Superior Provincial Park, Ontario, Canada. This depicts a horned dinosaur-like creature.

The middle drawing shows hunters around dinosaur-like creatures depicted in Arizona’s Havasupai Canyon.

Roman Mosaic shows two creatures fighting that closely resemble the tanystropheus
The top picture is from a Mesopotamian cylinder dated 3300 BC. It depicts dinosaur-like creatures similar to an Apatasaurus.

In 1945, Waldemar Julsrud discovered carvings that depicted dinosaurs at El Toro Mnt near Acambaro, Mexico. Over the next few decades, over 30,000 of these carvings have been unearthed. The carvings date between 800BC and 200AD. These findings have been challenged and tested by researchers on multiple occasions and have remained as authentic artifacts. One is believed to be an Iguanodon which was unknown until over 30 years after these carvings were discovered.

Cave paintings in Zimbabwe. The paintings were made by bushmen who ruled that area from about 1500 B.C., until a couple of hundred years ago. Along with accurate representations of the elephant and the giraffe, is a painting of an Apatosaurus (brontosaurus).
Dr. Samuel Hubbard, curator of archaeology in the Oakland (California) Museum, discovered dinosaur carvings on the cliff walls of the Hava Supai Canyon in Arizona. One remarkable carving resembles a Tyrannosaurus.

This clearly trows the "evolution" theory out the window.

God is great....

by Anastasia on Fri May 02, 2008 9:21 pm

When I think of scientist they really make me laugh because
they are just guessing. There is absolutely no support for it and they
themselves know this fact, yet they are blooming idiots, trying to get God out
of the picture, and so they been telling us that we came from the monkeys and
all the people that do not know their God fallow after these IDIOTS CALLED
SCIENTIST. No John the tadpols were always tadpols; they did not evolve God
made them that way. Just as the Emperor Angel fish, when little he looks one
way, and as he grows older he is a total different looking fish. We were made
from the dust of the earth and to the dust we go. We need the Iron Magnesium
and zinc that comes from the earth. And this settles it. I'M NO monkey

Anna

by **Lee** on Fri May 02, 2008 9:51 pm

We Christians know by the Spirit things that the unsaved
world will never know. For God is so good to us. Evolution is dreamed up by the
atheistic scientist because they won’t
accept the fact that God is real. They rather think that as long as there in no
God there is no judgment. No body goes to Hell because Hell is not real. Boy,
are they in for a surprise. The unbelieving scientist have admitted themselves
that it is more easy and makes more cense to believe in God that evolution. But
that would mean they would have to accept the fact that there is a God and than
is unthinkable for them. That’s Okay, they will all find out the truth in the
end. Praise Be To God. Let his truth and glory be know to all the nations.

by Rosetta on Sat May 03, 2008 9:10 am

What is really puzzling about atheists and non believers of Jesus Christ our Saviour is that they will "chance" the possiblility of eternal damnation. Would it not be better to at least believe for them so that they may have a better ''chance'' of salvation. Yet, they fight so hard to take away from all of us the knowledge of Christ and His commandments and our salvation as though they do not want to be alone in hell.

I am glad i know You God my saviour and my path to Your Father and the Holy Spirit. I only want to be true of heart with Your love and adore You above all else in this world and in the hereafter....look into my heart Lord and cleanse any unclean spirits or thoughts if You find any and let me be pure in every essence so that i may be one of your strongest warriors when the time comes to fight in the future battle against the demons that would assail Your Kingdom and Your people here on earth.

So be it...God is great.

by **Lee** on Sat May 03, 2008 9:27 am

Blessed are you Rosetta, for you know the path that leads to eternal life
which is Jesus Christ and Him alone. Only He holds the keys to life
and death, blessed are all those who walk by His glorious light and do not
stumble. Let us love God as he loves us and gave His life for us so we might
have eternal life. We Love you Lord Jesus, come quickly. Lee

by Rosetta on Sun May 04, 2008 12:53 pm

We Love you Lord Jesus, come quickly. Lee

Let the wedding feast start in Heaven so we, all that accepted Your invitation when You sent out your servants, may all join together with You in celebration of our salvation.

So be it...God is great.

by **Lee** on Sun May 04, 2008 8:23 pm

Yes. Let the heavens sing praises unto you most Holy Father.
Great is the day of your salvation when you come to bring us home. What joyous
sounds of rejoicing there will be in heaven when we all come home to see our
glorious Lord face to face. Jesus, we give you praise and honor, Glory to you
forever and ever. Amen

by IXOYE0809 on Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:09 am

Trorbes wrote:While metamorphosis isn't Evolution (except by the original definition: a linear progression) mutations in bacteria and virii, especially ones which give resistances to antigens are the easiest examples of Evolution out there. Other good examples are the classic Peppered Moth example and a neat little article recently released on the evolution of a group of lizards separated from the main population for over 30 years readable here. It's truly remarkable how fast they were able to adapt to a new environment in such a way in only generations.

This is incorrect .. adaptation, mutation and genetic drift are NATURAL occurances within a specie .. the specie does NOT change into another specie .. thus this erronous and disengenous terminolgy as "evolution" is done knowinly as a lie to the less educated .. evolution is the only THEORY in history not to be tossed out the window after 150 years of not being able to substanuate it .. I must ask WHY ? .. to me the answer is ACCOUNTABILITY .. if evolution was real, creation would not be .. if creation was false, so would the bible be .. if God wasn't real, people would not be accountable for sin nor have judgement upon it .. exposing the inerrancy of alleged "proof" is too easy

PEPPERED MOTHS:
Remember the pictures of these in your High School textbook? The moths appear in two variations of black and gray. Every student of biological evolution learns about peppered moths. Evolutions told us the story like this. There was a dramatic increase in dark forms of this species during the industrial revolution when factories poured out smoke and soot. This pollution darkened the tree trunks where moths hung out, thus making the lighter gray moths much more visible to bird predators. So, evolutionists told us that this resulted in a much larger population of darker moths, clearly pointing to a moth evolving.

THE FAKED PHOTOS:
When it was realized that peppered moths don't actually perch on tree trunks in the wild, but instead perch in the upper canopy of trees, the famous pictures of gray and black peppered moths on tree trunks came into immediate question. It turned out that these phographs were staged by "Scientists". They glued the dead moths onto tree trunks.
Why was this shoddy scientific research accepted in academia in the first place? Because Scientists desperately needed to believe in it to grasp onto something, anything, to prove Darwin's faulty theory of evolution.

THE TRUTH:
ADAPTATION, MUTATION & GENETIC DRIFT HAS NEVER LED TO A SPECIE CHANGE

BTW: your lizzards are yet another false case of evolution and a good example of natural adaptaion within a specie

by jimbobthephonecian on Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:00 pm

Evolution does exist in human affairs. Man starts from nothing. We begin in helplessness, ignorance, and inexperience. All of our works proceed on the principle of evolution: from the hut to the palace; from the canoe to the ocean liner; from the spade and ploughshare to drills, harvesters etc., but birds build their nests the same as they always have from the beginning.

Evolution is only one of several theories invented to explain the phenomena of created things. It is admitted by all scientists that no one of these theories covers all the ground. The greatest claim made for Evolution is that it covers more ground than any of the others. The Word of God covers all the ground. Jim

by IXOYE0809 on Thu Jul 31, 2008 11:03 am

Natural things do not evolve .. they grow
Change is inevitable .. and reversible
Growth is tentative .. but permanent

by Trorbes on Fri Aug 15, 2008 1:30 pm

IXOYE0809 wrote:This is incorrect .. adaptation, mutation and genetic drift are NATURAL
occurances within a specie .. the specie does NOT change into another
specie .. thus this erronous and disengenous terminolgy as "evolution"
is done knowinly as a lie to the less educated .. evolution is the only
THEORY in history not to be tossed out the window after 150 years of
not being able to substanuate it

It hasn't? I can provide you with evidence of both evolution and speciation (PDF). I can also provide you a site which should explain far more than I could ever do.

IXOYE0809 wrote: .. I must ask WHY ? .. to me the
answer is ACCOUNTABILITY .. if evolution was real, creation would not
be .. if creation was false, so would the bible be .. if God wasn't
real, people would not be accountable for sin nor have judgement upon
it .. exposing the inerrancy of alleged "proof" is too easy

Your faith is flimsy and weak if reality can destroy it so easily.

IXOYE0809 wrote:PEPPERED MOTHS:
Remember
the pictures of these in your High School textbook? The moths appear in
two variations of black and gray. Every student of biological evolution
learns about peppered moths. Evolutions told us the story like this.
There was a dramatic increase in dark forms of this species during the
industrial revolution when factories poured out smoke and soot. This
pollution darkened the tree trunks where moths hung out, thus making
the lighter gray moths much more visible to bird predators. So,
evolutionists told us that this resulted in a much larger population of
darker moths, clearly pointing to a moth evolving.

THE FAKED PHOTOS:
When
it was realized that peppered moths don't actually perch on tree trunks
in the wild, but instead perch in the upper canopy of trees, the famous
pictures of gray and black peppered moths on tree trunks came into
immediate question. It turned out that these phographs were staged by
"Scientists". They glued the dead moths onto tree trunks.
Why was
this shoddy scientific research accepted in academia in the first
place? Because Scientists desperately needed to believe in it to grasp
onto something, anything, to prove Darwin's faulty theory of evolution.

It isn't nice to plagiarize. At least provide a link to where you copy your words, next time.

Unfortunately, I am unable to find a source for their information. However, through brief research, I was able to find this, and this, which provide much explanation and evidence for the peppered moth's evolution.

IXOYE0809 wrote:BTW: your lizzards are yet another false case of evolution and a good example of natural adaptaion within a specie

Please explain how it is "false"? The transplanted lizards developed radically different social and mating habits, and even developed a different digestive tract suited to different food. How is this not Evolution?

Do you know what the Theory of Evolution is? It is not the development of new species, although that does relate to it. Evolution is the change in genetic traits in a population over generations. Evolution is constantly taking place, and every living thing is effected by it.

by **Lee** on Sat Aug 16, 2008 11:24 pm

There is a difference between adaptation and evolution. Things may adapt to their environments but that doesn’t support the theory of evolution. You have to make a choice here, do you believe in God or evolution, you can’t believe in both, because they are contradictory to each other.

by Anastasia on Sat Aug 16, 2008 11:31 pm

I believe some things can evolve from some circumstances but
never a human from a tadpol. Evolution is ungodly and the means of this lie
is to take Yahweh out of being the creator of all things that have life; to tell
us it all has a human explanation. I agree with IXOYE and JIMBOB.

by IXOYE0809 on Sun Aug 17, 2008 1:13 pm

Trorbes wrote:
IXOYE0809 wrote:This is incorrect .. adaptation, mutation and genetic drift are NATURAL
occurances within a specie .. the specie does NOT change into another
specie .. thus this erronous and disengenous terminolgy as "evolution"
is done knowinly as a lie to the less educated .. evolution is the only
THEORY in history not to be tossed out the window after 150 years of
not being able to substanuate it

It hasn't? I can provide you with evidence of both evolution and speciation (PDF). I can also provide you a site which should explain far more than I could ever do.
PLEASE DO .. I HAVEN'T HAD LAUGH YET TODAY

IXOYE0809 wrote: .. I must ask WHY ? .. to me the
answer is ACCOUNTABILITY .. if evolution was real, creation would not
be .. if creation was false, so would the bible be .. if God wasn't
real, people would not be accountable for sin nor have judgement upon
it .. exposing the inerrancy of alleged "proof" is too easy

Your faith is flimsy and weak if reality can destroy it so easily.
MY FAITH IN GOD IS STONGER THEN YOUR FAITH IN EVOLUTION

IXOYE0809 wrote:PEPPERED MOTHS:
Remember
the pictures of these in your High School textbook? The moths appear in
two variations of black and gray. Every student of biological evolution
learns about peppered moths. Evolutions told us the story like this.
There was a dramatic increase in dark forms of this species during the
industrial revolution when factories poured out smoke and soot. This
pollution darkened the tree trunks where moths hung out, thus making
the lighter gray moths much more visible to bird predators. So,
evolutionists told us that this resulted in a much larger population of
darker moths, clearly pointing to a moth evolving.

THE FAKED PHOTOS:
When
it was realized that peppered moths don't actually perch on tree trunks
in the wild, but instead perch in the upper canopy of trees, the famous
pictures of gray and black peppered moths on tree trunks came into
immediate question. It turned out that these phographs were staged by
"Scientists". They glued the dead moths onto tree trunks.
Why was
this shoddy scientific research accepted in academia in the first
place? Because Scientists desperately needed to believe in it to grasp
onto something, anything, to prove Darwin's faulty theory of evolution.

It isn't nice to plagiarize. At least provide a link to where you copy your words, next time.
IF I CLAIMED THESE WORDS AS MINE THAT WOULD BE PLAERIZISM .. IT ISN'T NICE TO FALSELY ACCUSE .. AS TO THE LINK I HAD THIS ON A TEXT DOC FOR SOME TIME THUS I DO NOT HAVE THE LINK

Unfortunately, I am unable to find a source for their information. However, through brief research, I was able to find this, and this, which provide much explanation and evidence for the peppered moth's evolution.
THIS IS NOT EVOLUTION BUT NATURAL ADAPTATION WITHJIN A SPECIE .. SORRY .. TRY AGAIN

IXOYE0809 wrote:BTW: your lizzards are yet another false case of evolution and a good example of natural adaptaion within a specie

Please explain how it is "false"? The transplanted lizards developed radically different social and mating habits, and even developed a different digestive tract suited to different food. How is this not Evolution? BECAUSE IT IS ADAPTATION WITHIN A SPECIE .. NOT ONE SPECIE TURNING INTO ANOTHER .. WHICH HAS OR NEVER WILL BE PROVED

Do you know what the Theory of Evolution is? It is not the development of new species, although that does relate to it. Evolution is the change in genetic traits in a population over generations. Evolution is constantly taking place, and every living thing is effected by it.
WRONG .. EVOLUTION IS NOT MUTATION ADAPTATION OR GENETIC DRIFT .. EVOLUTION IS ONE SPECIE CHANGING INTO ANOTHER FALSELY CLAIMED CAN HAPPEN BY APPLYING THESE NATURL OCCURANCES .. MICRO EVOLUTION IS A DISENGENOUS TERM FOR A NATURAL OCCURANCE WITHIN A SPECIE

by Rosetta on Sun Aug 17, 2008 1:24 pm

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