Was it the 10 commandments that God Wrote on in tablets of s

We see in the Book of Exodus 32:15 , It states : " and the two tablets of the testimony were in his hand ;the tablets were written on both sides ; on the one side and on the other were they written .
And also in Exodus 34:4-6 .

wasnt it more than just the 10 commandments ?

Shalom!

I think that it was just the ten commands. Of course the size of the tablets and the size of the letters inscribed would dictate how much could be placed on the tablets. Since we do not know either of these I must assume it was only the ten. Having said that, I would add that from my perspective that those ten commands represent the whole testimony which were written down by Moses. More like an incapsulation of the whole Law. Yeshua further abbreviated this in saying that the two greatest commands were "to Love the LORD your God.With all you heart and soul and might, and to love your neighbor as your self. The whole Law and the prophets hangs on these".

Blessings in Yeshua!

The thing I got if one does not keep the Law he does not walk in obeying God?



then what about people who do not believe we are under food laws?


are they walking agaisnts God?



For one thing I do not believe we are under food laws and i have no convictions if I do eat non-koshier foods.


so are you saying If i do not keep the whole law then I walk in dis-obidence?


if so we all would be dis-obeying God due its not possable to keep The Law.


For me I do eat non-koshier foods but it never hinders my walk with The Lord or nor do I feel and convicition about it.

Mark 17:19 New King James Version states that (So He said to them, "Are you thus without understanding also? Do you not perceive that whatever enters a man from outside cannot defile him, because it does not enter his heart but his stomach, and is eliminated, thus purifying all foods?'' and in the NIV, it says that (in saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.) Although 4Zion says that this verse was not in the original manuscript. I don’t know much about that, it could be. But for now the strongest proof is with this saying. It is even in the King James Version. (Jesus declared all foods clean.) Hallelujah, for variety of foods. I Love to eat. Praise the Lord, Thank you Jesus!!

Shalom Sugarman!


I will share what I believe and you can work out what you believe with God. I believe that the Law is one unit. There are differant topics and instructions. Some regard relationships others regard agriculture,religious practice, social issues, the legal system etc etc. It is Gods standard for a culture designed by Him.

I see the dietary instructions as applying to all of God's people so I observe them and try to keep them as best I can. These instructions were given by God to protect their health. The scripture says that it is so the diseases of the Egytians will not afflict them. But regardless what the reason,God said it. So I try to obey.

I cannot change the legal system (personally) I am not a farmer,so those instructions cannot apply. There is no Temple or priesthood so those things cannot apply to me.Most of the rest of it is just common sense to any descent person and most christians are already doing them whether they realize it or not.

I will say that I do not accept the argument that "the Law is impossible to keep!" When God gave the Torah instructions to the people He also said "These things are NOT too difficult for you!" If the instructions were NOT too difficult for the Israelites who had NOT received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit yet. What excuse do born again christians have?

It is not a difficult thing to keep those commands and the commands regarding the Sabbath which God gave to His people.
If people do not feel convicted about keeping Sabbath or any of the other instructions from God. That is between them and God. I personally do not have to answer for that.

We ALL break the Law at some point. Probably MANY points, during our lives. That is why Grace has been extended to God's people from the very beginning. We MUST be grace dependant. But grace does NOT nullify the Law in any way. I believe this completely! That is why I am both Torah observant AND grace dependant!He does not expect complete perfection only obedience and submission. "IF we love Him we WILL keep His commands"

Blessings in Yeshua!

4Zion wrote:Shalom Sugarman!


I will share what I believe and you can work out what you believe with God. I believe that the Law is one unit. There are differant topics and instructions. Some regard relationships others regard agriculture,religious practice, social issues, the legal system etc etc. It is Gods standard for a culture designed by Him.

I see the dietary instructions as applying to all of God's people so I observe them and try to keep them as best I can. These instructions were given by God to protect their health. The scripture says that it is so the diseases of the Egytians will not afflict them. But regardless what the reason,God said it. So I try to obey.

I cannot change the legal system (personally) I am not a farmer,so those instructions cannot apply. There is no Temple or priesthood so those things cannot apply to me.Most of the rest of it is just common sense to any descent person and most christians are already doing them whether they realize it or not.

I will say that I do not accept the argument that "the Law is impossible to keep!" When God gave the Torah instructions to the people He also said "These things are NOT too difficult for you!" If the instructions were NOT too difficult for the Israelites who had NOT received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit yet. What excuse do born again christians have?

It is not a difficult thing to keep those commands and the commands regarding the Sabbath which God gave to His people.
If people do not feel convicted about keeping Sabbath or any of the other instructions from God. That is between them and God. I personally do not have to answer for that.

We ALL break the Law at some point. Probably MANY points, during our lives. That is why Grace has been extended to God's people from the very beginning. We MUST be grace dependant. But grace does NOT nullify the Law in any way. I believe this completely! That is why I am both Torah observant AND grace dependant!He does not expect complete perfection only obedience and submission. "IF we love Him we WILL keep His commands"

Blessings in Yeshua!

maybe i should be more clear.


it is impossable to keep The law withput the one in you who made it.

http://www.yeshuatyisrael.com/torah.htm



I was reading this and i agree with it

In Exodus 34:27, the Lord says to Moses,"Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel." It may very well be that what was then written were verses 6-26. -j

Yes they were made of stone, and that is ALL God wrote on them .. maybe God wrote it on both sides becaus Musha (Moses) was already 100 years old and couldn't carry two fifty pound each tablets

Exd 34:1 Now the LORD said to Moses, "Cut out for yourself two stone tablets like the former ones, and I will write on the tablets the words that were on the former tablets which you shattered.

Deu 10:4 "He wrote on the tablets, like the former writing, the Ten Commandments which the LORD had spoken to you on the mountain from the midst of the fire on the day of the assembly; and the LORD gave them to me.

Deu 10:5 "Then I turned and came down from the mountain and put the tablets in the ark which I had made; and there they are, as the LORD commanded me."

Deu 31:26 "Take this book of the law and place it beside the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may remain there as a witness against you.

It's very simple as to food etc (law) .. if you are Jewish and do not accept Yehoshua as Messiah then you are still under the LAW given Moses in Leviticus .. if you Jewish and accept Jesus as Messiah you are not under the covenant of LAW anymore but now under the covenant of GRACE .. Gentiles NEVER were under the LAW .. the 1o Commandments apply to BOTH the Jews (chosen people) under LAW .. and the Saints (believers in Yehoshua) under GRACE .. IXOYE

4Zion wrote:Shalom Sugarman!


I will share what I believe and you can work out what you believe with God. I believe that the Law is one unit. There are differant topics and instructions. Some regard relationships others regard agriculture,religious practice, social issues, the legal system etc etc. It is Gods standard for a culture designed by Him.

I see the dietary instructions as applying to all of God's people so I observe them and try to keep them as best I can. These instructions were given by God to protect their health. The scripture says that it is so the diseases of the Egytians will not afflict them. But regardless what the reason,God said it. So I try to obey.

I cannot change the legal system (personally) I am not a farmer,so those instructions cannot apply. There is no Temple or priesthood so those things cannot apply to me.Most of the rest of it is just common sense to any descent person and most christians are already doing them whether they realize it or not.

I will say that I do not accept the argument that "the Law is impossible to keep!" When God gave the Torah instructions to the people He also said "These things are NOT too difficult for you!" If the instructions were NOT too difficult for the Israelites who had NOT received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit yet. What excuse do born again christians have?

It is not a difficult thing to keep those commands and the commands regarding the Sabbath which God gave to His people.
If people do not feel convicted about keeping Sabbath or any of the other instructions from God. That is between them and God. I personally do not have to answer for that.

We ALL break the Law at some point. Probably MANY points, during our lives. That is why Grace has been extended to God's people from the very beginning. We MUST be grace dependant. But grace does NOT nullify the Law in any way. I believe this completely! That is why I am both Torah observant AND grace dependant!He does not expect complete perfection only obedience and submission. "IF we love Him we WILL keep His commands"

Blessings in Yeshua!

need to add this .. the LAW was abolished to believers .. but still is in effect to Jews who have not accepted Jesus as their savior ..

Jhn 1:17 For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ.

Act 13:39 and through Him everyone who believes is freed from all things, from which you could not be freed through the Law of Moses.

Rom 2:12 For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law;

Rom 3:19 Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God;

Rom 6:15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be!

Rom 7:4 Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God.

Rom 7:6 But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.

after the rapture, God the father will "seal" his elect (144, 000) and these will be spared the final conflict ..

Zec 14:5 You will flee by the valley of My mountains, for the valley of the mountains will reach to Azel; yes, you will flee just as you fled before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD, my God, will come, and all the holy ones with Him!

Mar 13:14 "But when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION standing where it should not be (let the reader understand), then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains.

note: when you see scripture that says "let the reader understand" or "let those with ears hear" .. these are wrote to those whom have recieved the Holy Spirit ..

Jhn 14:26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.
WRONG .. you obviously don’t know your bible very well .. try reading the WHOLE book of Leviticus and you will see what the LAW God gave to the Jews to live under

Yes Jesus fulfilled the Law .. however he brought in a new covenat .. the covenant of GRACE

Rom 2:12 For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law;

Rom 3:19 Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God;

Rom 6:15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be!

Rom 7:4 Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God.

Rom 7:6 But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.

Rom 3:19 Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God;

Rom 7:6 But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.

The Law was the COVENANT (symbolized by the Passover Meal) made with God and his chosen people (the Jews) ..

The Gentiles (non Jews) had no covenant with God (this is why Jesus descended into Sheol between his death and resurrection) ..

By Jesus death on the cross, Gentiles now have a covenant with God (symbolized by the Last Supper & the curtain torn in two at his death) ..

Basically God honors his covenant with his chosen people (Jews) even tho they haven’t accepted Jesus as savior .. much like a "grandfather clause" ..

Judgement within the Law is by "deeds" ..

Judgement within Grace is through salvation by Jesus righteousness ..

In the covenant of Law, you will see where God has his people execute punishment upon those who sin and break the covenant .. in Grace God himself executes punishment on those who sin and break his covenant ..

ALL PRAISE TO GOD FOR OFFERING GENTILES A COVENANT

2Cr 3:14 But their minds were hardened; for until this very day at the reading of the old covenant the same veil remains unlifted, because it is removed in Christ.

2Cr 3:6 who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

Luk 22:20 And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, "This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in My blood.


Mat 26:28 for this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins.

1Cr 11:25 In the same way He took the cup also after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me."

Mar 14:24 And He said to them, "This is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many.

Hbr 7:22 so much the more also Jesus has become the guarantee of a better covenant.

Hbr 8:13 When He said, "A new covenant, " He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.

Hbr 12:24 and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks better than the blood of Abel.

the Ten Commandments do represent Gods Covenant with the Jews ..
Deu 4:13 "So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, that is, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

However, the LAW God gave them to live within is by which Jews are judged ..

Deu 10:1 "At that time the LORD said to me, ’Cut out for yourself two tablets of stone like the former ones, and come up to Me on the mountain, and make an ark of wood for yourself.
Deu 10:2 ’I will write on the tablets the words that were on the former tablets which you shattered, and you shall put them in the ark.’

Deu 10:13 and to keep the LORD’S commandments and His statutes which I am commanding you today for your good?

Deu 31:24 It came about, when Moses finished writing the words of this law in a book until they were complete,
Deu 31:25 that Moses commanded the Levites who carried the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying,
Deu 31:26 "Take this book of the law and place it beside the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may remain there as a witness against you.

Deu 31:26 "Take this book of the law and place it beside the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may remain there as a witness against you.

This verse makes it quite clear that the "Book of Law" is by what the Jews are judged .. shalom

The reason the "Ten Commandments" was placed "within" the Ark is because it applies to "both" covenants, The Law & Grace .. Paul tells us that under the NEW covenant of Grace, when we live our lives FOR Jesus, we automaticlly obey the Ten Commandments .. however salvation in Grace is through the acceptance of Jesus, repenting of sins, and following Jesus .. this is shown in the parable of the rich young ruler, who could NOT give Jesus control in all aspects of his life and to follow Him .. thus he walked away sad and did NOT recieve salvation .. IXOYE

IXOYE wrote 'the LAW was abolished to believers'. Great, so now when I hire someone to do some work for me I don't have to pay them. I can hold on to things that belong to others. I can oppress people with words. I can inflict suffering on widows and orphans. I can demand that a borrower pay his debt to me even if I know he doesn't have the means to pay me. Sodomy, bestiality, incest, and all manner of sexual perversion are all perfectly acceptable now that the laws forbidding them have been done away with.

When someone says we should follow Jesus, doesn't that mean to do what He did? Jesus observed the teachings of the 'Old Testament'. The word 'Torah' means 'teaching' or 'instruction'. Paying a hired hand is the right thing to do. Engaging in sexual immorality is foolish and insane. Christians are not immune from the consequences of violating these laws. The HIV virus doesn't stop on its way to its next host and look to see if its a christian. You might as well say that the law of gravity is done away with. Shalom, Jim

Why are you twisting my words brother ? .. I said nothing of the kind .. I preach with Jesus' words and authorithy .. PLEASE READ THIS ..

Mar 12:33 AND TO LOVE HIM WITH ALL THE HEART AND WITH ALL THE UNDERSTANDING AND WITH ALL THE STRENGTH, AND TO LOVE ONE'S NEIGHBOR AS HIMSELF, is much more than all burnt offerings and sacrifices."

here brother .. read this slowly ..

Rom 6:14 For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.
Rom 6:15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be!

THOSE WHO LOVE GOD AND TRULY WISH TO DO HIS WILL ALSO WISH NOT TO SIN

GOD IS GREAT...

Rosetta wrote:THOSE WHO LOVE GOD AND TRULY WISH TO DO HIS WILL ALSO WISH NOT TO SIN

GOD IS GREAT...

EXCELLENT ROSA .. AND JIM .. PLEASE PAY ATTENTION TO THE PART ABOUT GODS WIIL .. much love to all my brothers and sisters ..

There are THREE conditions under Grace in which we must meet to obtain Salvation .. this is told us by Jesus Himself ..
Sadly many Christians who meet only the first two conditions do not gain salvation as Jesus tells us in Mat 7:21

1) Belief that Jesus is the son of God and died for your sins
Jhn 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.
2) Repentance of past and present sins (also those not remembered)
Luk 13:3 "I tell you, no, but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.
3) Giving God control in all aspects of your life and following only His will
Mat 7:21 "Not everyone who says to Me, ’Lord, Lord, ’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
when you ACTUALLY can let go of control in all aspects of your life, the Holy Spirit will come to you, and he will remain with you .. in this you are "born again" (baptism of the Holy Spirit) and become a "new creature"

Jhn 3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God."
2Cor 7:9 I now rejoice, not that you were made sorrowful, but that you were made sorrowful to the point of repentance; for you were made sorrowful according to the will of God, so that you might not suffer loss in anything through us.
2Cor 5:17 Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come.
1Pe 1:23 for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable but imperishable, that is, through the living and enduring word of God

if you still live your life for "you" or even hold pack "any" portions of it, you are still the same creature (person) with a belief in Jesus .. your motives and will remain .. IXOYE

IXOYE, if you're saying that the law is abolished to believers because they no longer transgress the law, then I misunderstood you. Usually when I hear that the law has been done away with or abolished it means that it is no longer relavent and that the believer can transgress the law with impunity, which to my mind is empirically false.

When Paul says that no one is justified by keeping the law this is not the same thing as saying one shouldn't keep the law. There is a big difference. This is precisely what Jesus was talking about to the scribes and Pharisees. Jesus didn't have a problem with keeping the law, but with the Pharisees' pride and sense of justification at keeping the law. Becoming legalistic was the problem, not the law itself. There is no contradiction in the letter of the law and the spirit of the law unless one is overcome by legalism. The modern day Pharisee is the christian who says that if you keep any part of the law you must keep it all or you are condemned, or saying that there is one law for Jews and another for christians. The scribes and Pharisees misunderstood the purpose of the law. The teachings of the law are for our benefit and blessing. To understand Jesus' words is to understand the true interpretation of the law. Christians today, tend to conflate the teachings of the scribes and Pharisees with the law itself. Jim

Mat 18:21   Then Peter came and said to Him, "Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me and I forgive him? Up to seven times?"

Mat 18:22   Jesus *said to him, "I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven.

Yes we do keep on forgiving those who sin against us for judgement is not for us to give but it is of God. With our love of God and by obeying His most precious commandament He gave us we instinctively and unquestionably comply with all the Ten Commandaments and treat and ask to be treated as He, our Christ, spoke the Word when walking amongst us.

God is great...so be it

Hi Jim .. I agree with you that many have a hard time distiquishing what we are to follow inre: the law .. as you can see, we do NOT have to follow the Law given to Moses to gain Salvation .. Jesus tells us this ..

Luk 10:25 And a lawyer stood up and put Him to the test, saying, "Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?"
Luk 10:26 And He said to him, "What is written in the Law? How does it read to you?"
Luk 10:27 And he answered, "YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND; AND YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."
Luk 10:28 And He said to him, "You have answered correctly; DO THIS AND YOU WILL LIVE."

Hbr 10:18 Now where there is forgiveness of these things, there is no longer any offering for sin.
If we still had to obey the covenant of LAW (not the 10 commandments) we would still have to make a sacrifice for sin .. Jesus tells us under the covenant of GRACE .. we must "truly" be sorry and he will forgive us our sins
Mat 26:28 for this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins.
Luk 1:77 To give to His people the knowledge of salvation By the forgiveness of their sins,

Does Jesus Break The Law Here ? .. Or Is He Teaching Us His New Covenant Of Grace By The Forgiveness Of Sins ?

Luk 1:77 To give to His people the knowledge of salvation By the forgiveness of their sins,
Jhn 8:5 "Now in the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women; what then do You say?"
Jhn 8:6 They were saying this, testing Him, so that they might have grounds for accusing Him. But Jesus stooped down and with His finger wrote on the ground.
Jhn 8:7 But when they persisted in asking Him, He straightened up, and said to them, "He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her."
Jhn 8:8 Again He stooped down and wrote on the ground.
Jhn 8:9 When they heard it, they {began} to go out one by one, beginning with the older ones, and He was left alone, and the woman, where she was, in the center of the court.
Jhn 8:10 Straightening up, Jesus said to her, "Woman, where are they? Did no one condemn you?"
Jhn 8:11 She said, "No one, Lord." And Jesus said, "I do not condemn you, either. Go. From now on sin no more."

Mar 11:26 "But if you do not forgive, neither will your Father who is in heaven forgive your transgressions."

I have NO DOUBT what Yehoshua wrote in the dirt was each of their deepest darkest sins that they thought no one knew about .. IXOYE

The covenant of LAW was given to Moses to give to God's Chosen people to SEPERATE them from the non-Jews ..

Lev 20:26 'Thus you are to be holy to Me, for I the LORD am holy; and I have set you apart from the peoples to be Mine

Yehoshua also through the covenant of GRACE, SEPERATES us from the non-believers

Mat 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
Mat 10:35 "For I came to SET A MAN AGAINST HIS FATHER, AND A DAUGHTER AGAINST HER MOTHER, AND A DAUGHTER-IN-LAW AGAINST HER MOTHER-IN-LAW;
Mat 10:36 and A MAN'S ENEMIES WILL BE THE MEMBERS OF HIS HOUSEHOLD.
Mat 10:37 "He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.
Mat 10:38 "And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me.

Yet the 10 Commandments apply to both covenants
I thank ALL my brothers and sisters in Christ for the love they give .. bond-servant of Yehoshua .. IXOYE